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Released: November 6, 2023
Runtime: 01:05:48
Tags: 4K Download, Ball Lick, Big Tits, Booth BJ, Booth Fucking, Brunette, Cuckold, Dick Sucking Lips, Fingering, Fucking, Glasses, Interracial, Lingerie, Married, Masturbation, MILF, Petite, Shaved, Spit Roast, Theater Room, Toy
TOURI*
Dave please get her to do a session in Cumpsters! She is fucking luscious! And Married!!
Lj4d3*
Well worth it for her to come back. Please bring her back. Nuff said
deanj*
I don't get all the down votes. No bareback? She's still good
mrmik*
Dave best of both Worlds your New site for creampies Only. Just a thought.
mrmik*
Dave there are guy's here that have only just joined that have the same Votes as the Veterans and yes I am An Army Veteran. they might not be here again . That is why I think that poll was very bad this site is Gloryhole Swallow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrPri*
Most negative comments seem to be about women not doing bareback creampies, just wondering how many people have looked at the most popular videos. Joanie is ranked right up there
Dave *
Thanks for the support over the years. How is a poll the worst thing? Most members tell me the comments/rating are the worst thing.
mrmik*
Dave I have been here Off and on since the site started Look up my Email it has always been about swallowing Cum, These new guy's might be 1 time members.?????? The poll was the worst thing you could have done......
mrmik*
bring her back Dave
mrmik*
Bring her back
mrmik*
Dave Bring her back her personality and looks wow
Dave *
That's so true and I tell every girl to try things a little outside their comfort zone but they can stop at any time.
Baham*
Great girl! I am one of the guys who really wanted to see her and I am extremely happy. I am one of the guys who loves the theater room and creampies but I also understand that some girls just don’t want to do that and it’s fine. Sometimes you have to let a girl get comfortable and they might eventually do other things. Dave thank you for what you do! No matter what you do, there will always be complaints….
Dave *
I don't have a timeline for that yet.
Blew9*
Good video these comments are wild XD Also when is cumpsters going to be available to the rest of the members?
Dave *
The problem isn't my server, the problem is my 4K files are quite a bit larger than what's available on most sites due to the high bitrate. I'm using the recommend bitrate which is higher than what most other platforms offer, even Netflix. The only way to change that is to lower the bitrate (quality).
mcaFe*
Hi Dave, great videos. Any chance you will be getting faster uploading servers for people who want to download the videos? The server's upload speed especially for 4k videos is a bit lackluster. Also for some reason my downloads never finish even though it says 0mbs remaining. Can you look into this? Thank you!
cfoga*
Love her
blank*
great scene. please bring her back much sooner than later
Dave *
Because I asked for an email. I’m not going to have a rabbit hole discussion here about what makes a girl amateur vs semi-pro vs pro because no one knows. I think some of you guys are just looking for stuff to bitch about. If you like the girl then comment and give her a thumb up or down rather than dwelling on what her history or status is. I don’t know what their history is because I don’t care enough to ask. I’m not impressed by that stuff. Besides that, I hold onto some videos for several years before posting them which makes any info I get from them obsolete.
Anarc*
I posted the tags, why didn’t you approve the comment???
mrmik*
Bring her back Dave Please !
Cclay*
She kinda looks like Jennifer Anniston. I love it
super*
damn... she can't fuck at all.. She arches her back the wrong fucking way.. smh...
Tange*
The GH should be a NO CONDOM zone!
Newto*
Cum Dodger tag here?
Dave *
I must have missed that part. What was the time?
Kupul*
Can you add the throat fucking tag?
KalDa*
You can tell her head game is trash if literally all these dudes fuck her instead. ten the she was fucking it didn't look like anything all that fun lol
Coolg*
Video is still top pick for me from the first page videos, she really handled those cocks and dressed like a slut , I vote for more fishnet body suits and high heels
Allst*
So many people complaining like they’re the only ones who pay to watch these videos lol. Would love to see this woman stretched out by the biggest black cocks she deserves it. Thanks Dave
Lupti*
Love the girls who talk a lot and aren’t shy
ilove*
thoughts on an all girl gloryhole ? Instead of dicks through the wall. girls have their legs through and tied to hold them up. And they have their Pussies licked by a girl ?
Tcros*
She’s fun!
LateN*
She's got a great body, seems to enjoy, would watch again
Senta*
Yup. Very boring video and girl quality is on the low end (once again). Yes Dave— not everything you produce is great. Please take the feedback and try to improve your product instead of being unnecssariliy annoyed by it,
Coolg*
Great visit bring her back
Dave *
I thought ALL the girls have OFs and EVERYONE already knows their names.
TOURI*
Dave she is awesome!! I do agree with Anarc* though about the tags and I take it from some of the comments this lady is on OF? But unless you know her name how do you search her? Anyway thanks for bringing her back and please do it again!
white*
Please never bring her back, or any more girls just doing condoms. Loved this site but this ruined my birthday.
Freek*
buncha whiney bitches in here
cphut*
@Anarc. Using names is a horrible idea. That would just make it easier for the assholes to download specific scenes from torrent sites if a moron decides to upload his downloads from this site.
cphut*
@TruPu LOL He got you.....LMAO!!!
Dave *
If ALL the girls have OFs and EVERY member knows who the girls are then what would be the point of me posting their names. I NEVER ask girls about that stuff so I don’t have the info to begin with.
Tankm*
Dave then stop using numbers and just use their OF names. The entire point of numbers was to protect the identity of the innocent but these girls are all on OF - problem solved.
Dave *
I can’t believe you can’t read.
TruPu*
I can't believe you're recording condom scenes in 2023
Dave *
I understand the request completely. Tagging isn't the issue, the definitions are because most guys don't know them. Most guys think if a girl has a first and last stage name then they are "pro". Having an OF's doesn't make a girl "semi-pro" because the definition is "Receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living". So this means every single girl on my site is "semi-pro". See my point? You guys know how this crowd is and this request is just going to open a can of worms and lead to a rabbit hole of comments and debates. It already is. You guys need to learn how to enjoy the experience rather than focus on fake names and status. I can't tell you how many emails I get with ridiculous requests like listing the actual day I took the girl to the GH vs the day I post the video like that somehow adds value to the viewing experience. I asked for emails on clear definitions in my previous comment but haven't received any yet. It's easy making requests when you don't have to do any work. I'd like to make a request. How about each comments has to be a minimum of 250 words?
Tankm*
I am with the person who suggested marking these girls as OF/Pro/semi pro. If they have an onlyfans mark them as such and mark them semipro. If they're industry girls mark them as pro. We all know who they are pretty quickly after release because 95%+ of the girls over the last few years have been OF girls. I think the days of finding true amateurs with no other presence online like an OF are all but dead so using the number system doesn't really do anything but annoy us long time members who want to go back and watch scenes and can't remember whatever random string number a girl was.. It's not protecting anyone identity. If you find a true amateur with no OF/other sex work presence online, use the number system. I also wouldn't use the "I need to update the tags" thing as a crutch not to do this. If things change and we're allowed to discuss it believe me people will update the comments section.
toddj*
. i just think dumping her completely sets a bad precedent. JUST MY OPINON. i'm sure this woman is wondering "'HEY DAVE HOW DID I DO ?? ' and once Dave politely and nicely breaks it down to her about how the MEMBERS voted - do ya'll think she'll tell her hot looking freaky friends about her experience here? U think she'll ever refer any of her attractive MILF/Cougar freinds here??? i mean she'll probably say 2 them "YEAH I HAD FUN BUT THE MEMBERS AT THAT SITE ARE SO FUCKING CRUEL!! ..GEEEEZ!!! " the word on the street will be (if it isn't already) that GHS is a mostly a YOUNG GIRL PARTY. Apparently Condom fucking is an eternal sin now!! ha ha ha ha... I mean it wans't a problem for Dread Girl but now this site is a no-condom allowed site ??? At this point we KNOW how the members vote and what turns them on. its no mystery anymore They always threaten to cancel their memberships, they keep saying things like "Another trash update Dave!' and yet they're still here. they ain't going anywhere. they bash and complain cuz Dave gives them the power to do that. . I've seen other sites with a commenting feature like here but when you hit the SUBMIT button - the comment vanishes and goes directly to the site admin only and is not DISPLAYED PUBLICALLY for all other members 2 see. i just feel like Dave should put whoever he wants on the site and only use feedback as a reference point, keept the feedback aspect PRIVATE and not PULIC and in some cases use the feedback as a way to COACH certain types of SEXY hot girls so they perform their best. The biggest draw back on this site is the - PUBLIC VOTING aspect of it. The # of Likes/Unlikes, The Popular Tab etc., - i feel its served its purpose. and is not needed anymore. and cumpsters should just be likethe little league site that Chicks get knocked down to when the feedback is not the best.. This MILF deserves one more chance. just my opinon.
a5186*
I'll never understand the guys that think every update is going to appeal to them 10/10. I'm not into some of the highest rated videos on this site and I'm good with that, cause there's plenty of content I revisit. I know we pay, but the complaining has almost gotten to "looking a gift horse in the mouth" levels. I'll go back to quietly enjoying the videos, including this one.
ilove*
And of course would like a high heels stay on tag too please
ilove*
How about an all girl gloryhole ? Instead of dicks through the wall. girls have their legs through and tied to hold them up. And they have their Pussies licked by a girl ?
Gutyc*
Thanks for this MILF, i really like White MILF. I would like more videos with them or also with White MATURE women who fuck bbc through the hole, nice job admin.
uniqu*
I hope if she had a 3rd visit .she does more fucking and bareback .
Dave *
I'll consider that. First, send me an email clearly defining "Amateur", "Semi-Pro" and "Pro". Who will be determining which category each girl is in when their visit gets posted? Who will be tracking their career and updating their tag accordingly if and when they move from one category to the next?
Anarc*
My official request for new tags: #Amateur #OF girl #Semi-Pro #Pro #First timer/maybe pro in the future Also request you start using names and give these girls credit. An hour or so after a new release we all know who the chicks are, give them some credit!!
Dave *
Let's play nice guys. Todd wasn't the cause of the Forum being de-activated, it was just too time-consuming for me to maintain. I found myself having to answer the exact same questions over and over again. It still happens in the comments but not as bad.
Anarc*
Just look at the Grammar in ToddJames84 last post… Starting sentences with lower case letters, capitol letters where ever the hell he wants. Punctuation, fucking forget about it. Thank God he is a “full time bodybuilder” and not an English teacher!!! Also Todd, most people would have more respect for your comments if they are a line or two. Not a PARAGRAPH every response…… You cannot tell a girl is “NICE”, or a “GOOD PERSON” by watching them suck dick in a gloryhole. Just stating the obvious, which you will NEVER get. Todd single hand-idly caused the end to the GHS Forums. Which most of us who frequented that every day will NEVER FORGET!
DLBas*
Not the best. But got the idea of a girl in the booth and each guy actually enters the booth one at a time. The finished getting sucked and/or fucked and the next guy enters. A train of one-on-ones with strangers.
Shark*
I vote for "Creampie Fridays!" This one left me limp and surfing my GHS favorites instead.
spinm*
@toddj Why the fuck would Dave waste his time and pay her for another shoot if the majority have already spoken? Dave is running a business here, not a business of hoping her next shoot will be better received. Is there seriously any girl you don't like? Just amazing you think these girls just love sucking and fucking random dudes when the fact is they love getting paid more. This chick is not valuable as there's always another porn star out there to replace her or any others.
Bobby*
Lousy,shitty,boring and old.......message sent...Do better please.
stalk*
aburrido :(
toddj*
well folks it looks like the trolls have spoken. they are NOT happy. like i said. i think a good option for this woman is a cumpsters team up. with a younger hot barebacking girl and if that fails over there on Cumpsters too then we'll know she's run her course on this platform. i think that would be fair. for this woman. like i mentioned in another post. even tough Cumpsters is basically the gangbang version of GHS. it should ALSO be like the little league that chicks get knocked down to when things go south here in the ratings for a chick . Just an idea Dave. balls in your court. its your decision. i don't think we should loose yet ANOTHER valuable chick. but if you decide to give her the axe based on the ratings. its up to you. i just feel sad when we loose good chicks like this. but then again we've had some chicks that scored VERY HIGH and went bareback and took it in all 3 holes and got positive comments too who still never got a 2nd invite. The Bodybuilder Chick with dark hair comes to mind. Same thing with the Dog Fucking Chick aka Ruff Ruff Girl. . due to the 2 year time span - i'm sure. we've now lost track of those two and they did good and vanished. due to the supposed backlog so - hey... i accept that it is what it is... life ain't always fair. i think this woman is probably doing good with her PRO career outside of GHS. she seems very confident in herself. She came here for promo so she may not care about not coming back but i perosnally think we need woman like her . we need more MILFs. just my opinion.
thece*
yikes
Bitch*
Her screechy voice at the beginning makes me jump out of my skin.
Gryfi*
I have to admit that I’m a cream pie fan especially multiple cream pies but would rather see fucking with a condom than no fucking at all so I gave a thumbs up.
unwan*
I'm just happy we're still getting spitroast/theater room content on this site. More gangbangs Dave!
Poshp*
Not good enough I’m afraid. Graft harder to find suitable recruits. It should be far easier than it’s been made to look to find interesting content. Considering cancelling. Where is cumdumps?
csave*
appreciate all the women who make the content for this site, yeah I like creampies but I'm not going to downvote because it's not there.
Dave *
Give it a shot. I pay a referral fee.
Poshp*
The last few have been so very dull. It should be so easy to entice exceptional amateurs, considering the expansion of Instagram and Only Fans over the last few years. It should be like shooting fish a barrel! Work harder! But, like I say, the videos are recently so dull and I’m struggling to justify the fees
rh123*
I thought the vid was awesome and I wanted to see her back personally. Forgot to add that.
rh123*
I can't with these comments about condoms. If that's the only way the girl is comfortable then too bad. It's her body and her choice as well as her husband's. Have some respect and decency and enjoy the rare content you get. You won't find it anywhere else.
Dave *
I think she'd really enjoy being teamed up with a hot young girl, especially if she's a bit shy. I'm pretty sure she'd eat some creampies.
toddj*
oh my. i see my haters haven't dissppeared. i actually luv my haters. it helps me understand what Dave goes thru with the non-sensical hate he gets and he's the creator of all this great content. hater on haters and i'll think about you when i do my workout this evening bitches! ha ha ha ha.. i ain't gonna go away.. but seriously Dave, don't get rid of her. man!! we keep loosing all these great woman cuz of the unreasonable voting patterns of the members. i think u should do an experiment with her. i've been watching this woman's career. she's definitely does 3-ways and girl-girl stuff now. bring her over to cumpsters and attempt to do something similar like what was done with the two red heads. let her keep her condom only rule and invite a younger hotter chick who loves to go RAW who's a real passionate-agressor type. i really feel that once this Hot MILF's ego is challenged she'll go far above what she did here. She's a nice person but she's got a hot girl ego - that is why i think she was a bit demanding and fiesty in the theateroom - she just needs a little push. if there's another hot chick in the room upstaging her she'll step it up to another level. serously this site does NOT have enough real milfs. we need 2 keep her. this site can't just be hot hot teens & 20somethings and exotics. we need a diverse palete - if milfs like her can succeeed her it will inspire others to come too.
Ilove*
No one has mentioned the cringy fishnets attire. I want to see her body. It should be a requirement full nude and no masks or fishnets
Edsmi*
I gave this vid a thumbs up because I'm a sucker for brunettes. However I have to agree with another commenter further down she does talk a lot. The whole condom thing I don't care better to be safe then sorry. On to next week. >>>
Tange*
I just can’t with these condoms, this is porn and I don’t pay almost $80 to watch girls get fucked with condoms, it’s a big downer and Dave knows this and yet he still allows it. This is glory hole blasphemy, do better Dave, do better!
MrPri*
Nice nipples
efrem*
also i am willing to bet that toddj in the comments body looks like SHIT lmfao "hardcore body builder" what a clown LOL nobody who is actually extremely fit would ever say that about themselves hahahahhaahh dead giveaway he probably looks like PC principal from south park
The1N*
Idk what everyone else is talking about but this was a good update
Loose*
Next I'm sorry :/
Ejoes*
LOL at ToddJames84! dude literally drove me off of the Forum and I am now begging Dave to shut the Comment section down as well. While youre at it, hide the down vote counter as well; it only encourages people to be more vocal. If they are truly upset about the updates, send Dave an email.
Dave *
I think you were one of the members who won the lottery and got an $80 yearly membership due to a glitch in the system.
Dickn*
Thanks for everything you do Dave! And thank you to all the performers! This site is the best out there and the fact there are so many losers complaining all the time bugs the living shit out of me. You pay $80 a year, $80 fucking dollars to see over 52 girls in the glory hole, plus vip videos, plus the new Cumpsters site and people still complain that ONE girl doesn’t do the exact thing they like. Fuck off. Fuck right off. She doesn’t owe you condomless fucking for your measly $80.
Damns*
No creampie. Downvote for me. Kind of disappointed with the last few updates.
revos*
different energy from last visit. idk. not bad just different. the facial last visit was great.
toddj*
Yo Dave, don't get rid of her !!! this is why we have Cumpsters. I HAVE AN IDEA. I say - bring her back but make her do a Girl-Girl team up gangbang on the Cumpsters platform with a younger chick who is okay with going RAW. make . cuz here is my opinion on her. if there is another hotter woman there to challenge her to step her game UP - i think she'd rise to the occasion and go beyond what she's done here. infact our Belvod Brunette Shared Wife who was actually playing on the screen when in theater room would be a great team up 4 her since they kinda look alike. but that's just my idea. cuz beyond a girl-girl team up or possibly doing anal. - there's not much more you can do with her. she's a petite woman and i don't think she can handle getting railed too hard. She got railed pretty good and that was the best part but like i said. think about it. a team up on cumpsters with a younger hotter chick would make her step it up. just an idea.
Dave *
I’m not upset at all, just calmly stating a fact. Jan. 13th isn’t a “spun out porn star” and she got the same treatment until I posted her next visit letting guys creampie her. The comments mean more to me than the thumb ratings because the thumbs require little effort and are subjective. She texted me last week letting me know how excited she was that her latest video was up next because all her fans raved about her first visit. I’m not sure if her fans will tell her about this or not.
spinm*
I don't count a chick who received 65% thumbs-up and 35% down highly requested. Her last update was mid at best. This time, she came, sucked cock, got fucked and got paid. Dave complains she is going to be bashed because she fucked with condoms is deflecting from the fact we are just tired of spun out porn stars putting out subpar updates.
Grand*
Compare her first visit to this second visit. The first time she was put together better had makeup on and glasses, fingers and toes painted a nice tan, nice lips and sexy as fuck. This second video no makeup, no glasses, nails are not painted pale looking skin, no lipstick. Kinda looks like a crack head or something happened to her self image. WTF happened 2 her? Drugs?
rober*
we are such creampie snobs now lol in fact i would love to see an all creampie visit.. and please tell me when it's happening so i can fly out for it haha
Rayna*
hey dave i sent you a few emails can let me know you got them and will get to them in time. i did as asked and then i got radio silence.
Redho*
I guess the update was ok, but she kept talking a lot without much action which put me off.
topsp*
i dont mind the condoms... i appreciate any cumdump who will get out there and suck and fuck a bunch of random cocks.... any time frame of when cumpsters will go live for non VIP members, i still have over a 100 days before getting to VIP1 , thanks!
toddj*
In response to the comment from @Lovel - its funny that he talks about the idea of paying for a gym membership vs. paying to be a member here. i'm a hardcore bodybuilder. and i date decent looking fuckable women too. on a semi-frequent basis and i'm a proud but discrete member of this site. the action on this site helps take the edge off after the stress from my hard workouts - its also interesting that @Lovel equates the lonliness and the pathetic-ness of the male members here with the supposed declining quality of the action on the site and how he's proud to be ending his membership soon and how you've never commented on a video before and you feel this just because this one HOT MILF made dudes comdom fuck her ?? wow. Cuz i feel the opposite. i thought this visit was great. she's hot enough and her reactions were raw enough to where the condom being on didn't impact the intensity of the action. she got railed really good! I can't speak for other members and i'll admit i think they're downright UNFAIR with the way they vote most of the time - but me personally - the action on the site is some of the best on the web and is worth every penny. there is only 1 other site online that i feel matches the intensity of this site. the sheer amount of random hardcore bareback fucking Dave is able to film with unplanned creampies too is downright jaw dropping. Where else on the web can one see such a thing ??? the fact that this HOT MILF wouldn't go without a condom is proof of how raw the action is on the site cuz most of the chicks that come here go condom-less and throw caution to the wind. . I always say that, Dave must have God on his side protecting him, the dudes and the chicks too cuz i don't know how he's never had any issues or complaints from the chicks.... i feel bad for Dave sometimes cuz he works hard and all he gets is these dynamic criticisms from ungreatful and non-appreciative members. its quite sad actually. i guess it comes with the job. either way great visit. loved it.
sk1tt*
All those condoms ruined the video for me.. I dont like to down vote the girls, but this was a terrible visit/update.
Dave *
It was Jan. 13, 2023 and the exact same thing happened.
Anarc*
@Lovel…. NEVER thought I would see a condom visit in 2023. This one really caught my off guard. I had very high hopes after Dave didn’t share any teasers on twitter (Maybe a true amateur is coming), then to wake up and see this?? From a known girl in the business?? Can anyone remember the last Condom update? Has to be years ago right?
Unkno*
Was looking forward to this one!
toddj*
honestly i felt this was a good visit. i think she is the one person where she's hot enough and authentic enough to where the condom being on doesn't matter - she got railed really good. and i liked her reactions. too. She's a super hot MILF and i think the problem this site has it that there aren't enough milfs.. but real talk i think she came to this site strictly to do PROMO for herslef. She's not the local slutty chick who's doing self-esteem porn. she came to GHS to do promo to help start herself up and i think she's moved on to other things. but i give this visit 5 out 5. loved it.
Dave *
This visit was on Nov. 10, 2022. I didn't think she was going to let anyone fuck her that day and she doesn't trust Plan B which is totally understandable. Most girls want to feel cum inside them and hate condoms as much as guys do so now bareback is a requirement. I might let a new girl do her first visit with blowjobs only but after that they have to fuck a few guys because that's what the majority want to see.
Lovel*
I'm not going to lie. This is my first time commenting on a video. This video made me realize that I'm glad that my subscription is ending soon. No disrespect, but I think it's pretty down bad to pay 79.99 to see a girl get fucked with condoms on and get mad when she doesn't get creampied like that 80 bucks could go to a gym membership or something to better your life. Anything beats paying to watch stuff like this. I get that porn is entertainment and all but maybe it's time some of us admit that we're falling down the rabbit hole of being porn addicts and why we are watching content like this. I know I'm probably gonna get some hate for this comment but I hope that you all hear me out and try to understand where I'm coming from. I don't think Dave is a bad person but he is capitalizing off the loneliness and desperation for intimacy in us. That's why I think the creampies are so popular but like guys if we become better and improve our lives we could have the sex we want in real life. Anyway, I'm done I just wanted to get that off my chest. wish you all the best regardless of how this comment is taken.
Steve*
Brilliant. I have been waiting to see her again. Thanks for the video, 10/10.
Anarc*
@Dave, Maybe the comments, but not the votes. Seriously, how did you think a condom visit would go in 2023? No disrespect, but no preview on twitter all week/no interview/hype, then you drop this??? IDK man, this is the 4th weak video in a row. Dave, you need to open the forums up again and do polls of what your fans want to see. If you did 5 pictures of girls like back in the day, this visit would have been the lowest rated due to the condoms and this chick being in the business and not fucking bareback. Also, would love to see all of the “requests” to see this girl again. Judging by her past video, I just don't buy it, again no disrespect, just think you need to bond with the fans more and see what we want to see. Last thing you want to do is be out of touch with your Subscribers.
ilove*
nice vid thanks. and thank you for not having her remove her heels. and can you please add a tag high.heels.stay.on please?
Dave *
The comments from her previous visit look pretty positive to me. I have a feeling she's going to get bashed this time because she didn't let guys creampie her.
Sunny*
Yea her last vid didn’t do to well suprised she’s back
Young*
Not even a creampie, or a swallow from a condom. So much potential.
Dave *
You make requests through emails and comments. Check out her first visit.
Anarc*
“The highly requested visit is here” from Daves Twitter. Who has requested a visit from her? Also, how do you request a visit when every twitter post that Dave posts has comments locked? Someone please let me know how I request girls in 2023 since there are no forums and his Twitter is always comment locked. Clearly some of you guys know how, please share that info. I have a few girls I would like to recommend but have no idea how. Also looking at the Twitter clip, I see condoms…..2023 were still using condoms in porn? I think even the almighty ToddJames84 may have an issue with this.
ajino*
Weird
white*
This ain't it
Charv*
I love this woman. Hot as fuck. Thanks, Dave!